tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16082864.post7765809295091008965..comments2023-06-21T08:46:40.230-05:00Comments on Fundamentals: Rewriting history: the middle east in 1947 and 1967Siarlys Jenkinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15083839117838391267noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16082864.post-47107908335689610202014-08-29T19:47:46.078-05:002014-08-29T19:47:46.078-05:00HeartRight, welcome to my widely unread blog! I th...HeartRight, welcome to my widely unread blog! I think in this instance, we have started from somewhat different facts and arrived by modestly different paths at somewhat different conclusions.<br /><br />I start by recognizing a difference between "the Palestinians" and "the surrounding Arab states," then, a difference between "the people called Palestinian" and "the organizations who claim to represent Palestine." One is not entirely responsible for the sins of the other, although Israelis can certainly be forgiven that they can't always discern who is which.<br /><br />In short, there is no such entity as "The Arabs." The Arabic population offered one part of a partitioned British Mandate did not rise up in arms. They were peremptorily told to get out of the line of fire by the armies of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Egypt. I would agree that none of these nations is entitled to anything. They initiated an avoidable war, and lost.<br /><br />However, this leaves the Arabic population with historic roots in, and/or continuing to reside in, the territory of the former British Mandate. Simple realpolitik dictates that they must have an opportunity for a prosperous, self-supporting, settled, peaceful life, OR they will be a recruitment base for the likes of Hamas.<br /><br />The difficulty of course is that the population now called Palestinian have been shamelessly manipulated by the surrounding Arab nations, particularly Jordan and Egypt, although neither has shown much stomach for it lately, and over several generations has come to believe the lies told them by the armies that ordered their ancestors to get out of the way.<br /><br />But still, peace of any durable nature requires that they have sufficient basis for life that they come to value peaceful enjoyment of their land over tangling with Israelis at any opportunity.Siarlys Jenkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15083839117838391267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16082864.post-69199293282059196542014-08-26T19:31:07.737-05:002014-08-26T19:31:07.737-05:00My inclination is to take 48 as the decisive point...My inclination is to take 48 as the decisive point.<br /><br />The facts so far:<br />1. The UN, acting as the coalition of victorious Powers of WWII, ordered the partition of the former Mandate.<br />2. The Yishuv accepted this plam.<br />3. The Arabs did not.<br />4. The Arabs waged war with the aim to dislodge the Yishuv from its Endowment by the UN.<br /><br />The following are opinions based on facts.<br /><br />The Arab invasion of said territory is a flagrant breach the peace.<br />It is also an unpermissible flaunting of the authority and majesty of the Winners of WWII.<br /><br />Followed by a verdict.<br /><br />I. All land grants made to the Arabs by the UN are rescinded.<br />II. The Arab Nations involved in the aggression are permanently stripped of voting rights in the UN.<br />III. The UN will not permit, not now nor in the future, the residence of any Arab in the former Mandate, other than as a loyal Citizen of the Jewish State.<br /><br />They rejected what was offered.<br />Now they will have nothing.<br />Absolutely nothing.<br /><br />HeartRightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16082864.post-12396038683998572642011-04-11T12:55:49.158-05:002011-04-11T12:55:49.158-05:00Yes, I read Fousesquawk. He puts together a lot o...Yes, I read Fousesquawk. He puts together a lot of local information I would normally miss. I usually agree with your comments and enjoy reading them over there even I don’t completely agree with them.<br /><br />I don’t have much time to comment since I have to prepare to go out of town, but I agree that 1967 was a pivotal year for Israel. Pre-war people were scared they would be all be massacred. Post-war they gained a lot of confidence, maybe too much.<br /><br />Post 1967 War Israel had no peace partners who were willing to give peace in exchange for land. They got the three nos. I don’t think Jordan ever really wanted the Palestinians so they weren’t interested in a land for peace deal.<br /><br />IMO, Israel should have withdrawn from population areas in the West Bank and could maintained control over unpopulated areas for security until an agreement could have been reached. Then Israelis would not have become occupiers of people, which has made peace more difficult.<br /><br />IMO, it would demand too much for the British to try to hunt down paramilitary groups in 1947. I think conflict was going to result no matter what the British did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com